I think that interdisciplinary education i… – Long posts

2020-09-28

Caliban

I think that interdisciplinary education is exactly what we need more of: it engenders the ability to think about complex issues spanning across multiple domains of human knowledge. This ability is exactly what a good citizen needs.

I think that american schooling imparts knowledge as disconnected facts, thus teaching you what to think instead of how to think. I would argue that the framework for knowledge is more important than erudition itself (which is still important), especially as we increasingly turn to transactional memory. Reality is best modeled by a series of complex, interconnected relationships, not by facts in isolation. Sure, it may require more mental processing, but education is also about developing ourselves in ways that push that limit further.

That being said, I also think american education does a terrible job of teaching facts, as evidenced by millions of americans who are unaware of the most basic scientific, historical, and political facts. Of course, a lot of this is due to inequality and the fact that some schools are way worse than others.

The ability to evaluate ideas critically, the exercise of independent judgement, and an awareness of common biases in our perception are all learned by the study of the humanities. I think there is an excessive focus on (perhaps even obsession with) strong stances ("stand up for what you believe in", "fight for what's right"). This engenders uncritical acceptance of simple solutions to complex problems, as evidenced in the infantilized worldview our society has adopted.

I argue for an education that empowers every future citizen with the freedom and responsibility to accept nuance! This ability is acquired through elaboration instead of just assimilation of ideas, and an interdisciplinary school system is, based on my experience, very successful in providing that opportunity

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@j_r_snook I mean it does seem mighty suspicious that epstein died in jail like that... but that's not really proof of a global cabal secretly running the world now, is it?
@j_r_snook same with college: it's designed to teach professional knowledge more than educating in the classical sense (producing thinkers/citizens). I think it's a direct byproduct of insane tuition--you must focus on learning what pays off loans
@Caliban87 Proof? No. (Weak) evidence in favor of? Possibly.
@adiabatic imo it's just a mix of apophenia and a large population lost in their insecurities and desperate for any semblance of meaning to take the edge off their anomie and alienation?
@Kabuku oh, receiving the best undergraduate education I can get my hands on is my #1 priority in life right now. However, I think that the very existence of QAnon and as a movement is proof of the utter failure of american education
@j_r_snook
@j_r_snook if only there was a political movement to address the struggle of the have-nots vs the haves... Oh wait! It's leftism! I'm not a leftist, but I do recognize that their movement is based on actual theory. The alt-right is intellectual garbage
My point is that QAnon is based on "probably" and the emotional comfort it brings. There is no rational inquiry or factual backing. It's the quintessence of post-truth. Do the followers even pretend to care about truth?
@Kabuku @j_r_snook pretty much my point. Education in america is mostly a pipeline where you have to be extra if you wish to learn to think. E.g. no mandatory philosophy classes, dichotomy of STEM and humanities, etc.. It's bad in that it's not good enough
@Caliban87 @j_r_snook @Kabuku I am following
@Kabuku @j_r_snook ok I caved in to the longpost after holding out for months
@Kabuku plus the door is closed, so it's going to be really dark.
@j_r_snook @Kabuku Correct. The very language we use defines our patterns of thought. It's unavoidable. + the entire history of human thought/discovery cannot be replicated individually. But we should teach awareness of the stake & why that particular one
@j_r_snook @kabuku Based on your comments, it seems like you think of QAnon as internet lore (relatively harmless). What you may not be aware of is that many people actually believe it, many of them alt-right, some running for elected office. Trolls?
@Kabuku @j_r_snook The venn diagram of unironic QAnon believers and alt righters is a circle. Jk but both ideas speak to the alienation of disenfranchised young men navigating the post-truth internet, abandoned by the left in its pursuit of other agendas
@Kabuku this podcast [soundcloud.com] does a great job reporting on QAnon. it spreads throughout the whole republican party. QAnon ia the new Tea-Party, moving the political right to the fringes, widening the gap between reality and politics.
// @j_r_snook @Caliban87
@Kabuku it all comes down to what Kant said.: "Es ist so bequem, unmündig zu sein."

translates to "It is so convenient not to educate yourself."

too many people in the US are leaving school early. they never learn the very basics.

@Caliban87 @j_r_snook
@Kabuku @j_r_snook @blumenkraft I recommend The Last Archive by Jill Lepore, a podcast about our contemporary loss of truth and how we determined what is true throughout history and esp The Rabbit Hole, which touches on QAnon and inspired my original post
@j_r_snook and legitimizing baseless conspiracy theories is an acceptable way to do so? The worst case is that they're dangerously gullible, the best case is that they are trolls running for office as such (which is an insult to our democracy)
@j_r_snook @Kabuku Hmm actually one person interviewed in The Rabbit Hole didn't seem either left or right, she was just anti-establishment and prone to believe in Illuminati-type conspiracy theories. She was a woman in her 60s
@j_r_snook that many people, some running for office, are unironically legitimizing—even basing their worldview on—an anymous, unproven, phantasmagoric narrative from 4chan? Do you not see the danger??? And yes, I don't know of any other QAnon movements...
@j_r_snook Anti establishment ≠ rejecting the notion of objectively verifiable truth and unexamined acceptance/belief that baseless claims are factual representations of reality.

You can most def be anti establishment while using your frontal lobe
@Caliban87 subscribed! thanks for the recommendation. :)