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7 years ago

Headteacher living in Cheshire UK. Cycling, running and camping during the weekend.

@blumenkraft we don't have a fair electoral system in place in the UK. There are two many times when people's votes just don't count or won't make the slightest bit of difference! The Brexit vote was the first time when I've known every vote to totally count. That should be how we elect our Prime Minister. I'm not totally up on politics - just how I perceive it!

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@cirrus this one is hilarious! this administration makes it into history books only for their ignorance…

@cirrus

@blumenkraft whilst i disagree with your 'no brexit' stance, i totally agree that it is one heluva mess and something needs to be done post haste.

@cirrus don't you think the re-election could open a window to overthink and/or even end brexit?

@pisolita

@blumenkraft @cirrus as I understood it there is no way out once article 50 has been triggered. Brexit will happen in 2 years at the latest, no matter what

@cirrus

@blumenkraft i think the people have spoken, granted Scotland majority did vote to remain, but we did opt to stay in UK, for our sins

@cirrus

@pisolita I wouldn't be too sure, the powers that be do not want it to happen so there's every chance that it wont, [i'm lookin at you house of unelected lords] /@blumenkraft

@cirrus

@pisolita My old gran told me in 80s the next war would be due to the fact 'all the countries would join up, and 1 would break away' & it would be cause of next WW, i used to think she was a mad old bible thumper, im having second thoughts /@blumenkraft

@pisolita if Britain is saying 'sorry, bad joke, we want to be part of the EU anyway' i bet everyone in the EU agrees to forget the 50. it wouldn be cheaper for evertone, not only for Britain.
// @cirrus

@cirrus this is quite dystopic. :(
// @pisolita

@RossA

@blumenkraft the EU have already said we can 'forget it' and welcomed back if we want... I think - can't find the news article now!
// @cirrus @pisolita

@bazbt3

@RossA @pisolita @cirrus @blumenkraft This might be one of the many articles on the subject.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-stop-article-50-leave-eu-politicans-donald-tusk-philippe-lamberts-michel-barnier-european-a7655166.html

@bazbt3

@RossA @pisolita @cirrus @blumenkraft I wonder how long it would take those in favour of Brexit to settle down to pre-hype lives, if the UK decides Brexit cannot happen. It'd be ugly for a while but, ultimately, what can they *do* to frustrate the future?

@RossA this is the only logical thing to do. when the brexit vote took place i predicted it will not happen anyway. it looks good for my prediction i think. ;)
@cirrus @pisolita

@bazbt3 don't tell me there are still brexit supporter… @RossA @pisolita @cirrus

@bazbt3

@blumenkraft I have a few colleagues, friends, relatives… yes there are.
// @cirrus @pisolita @RossA

@RossA

@bazbt3 that was one of them! :/) thanks
// @blumenkraft @cirrus @pisolita

@RossA

@blumenkraft quite a lot still!
// @cirrus @pisolita @bazbt3

@RossA

@bazbt3 only that would be very ugly unless another referendum was called - you'd be going against the majority (I even if small) of people in the country
// @blumenkraft @cirrus @pisolita

@RossA

Brexit - http://chimpnut.nl/u/RossA/lp/82469 - #longpost

@der_Jeff we are in this all together. schadenfreude is for people not getting actually hurt only.
@RossA @bazbt3 @pisolita @cirrus

@RossA what is this 'anti establishment' thing coming from anyway? since when is it bad to put intelligent people in charge? never understood this argument.
@der_Jeff @cirrus @pisolita

@RossA

Pledges - http://chimpnut.nl/u/RossA/lp/82479 - #longpost

@pisolita

@blumenkraft @cirrus @RossA @bazbt3 when I was living in the UK I learnt that most Brits don't feel like being part of Europe, was quite shocking for me. I think that's the underlying problem. And ignorance of all the things in the background

@pisolita

@blumenkraft @cirrus @RossA @bazbt3 ...such as medicine's authorisation, patents, science funding... people don't know about this, all they see and believe are those UKIP lies

@RossA well, what we see is that people elect forces that obviously amplify this unequality problem, right? i don't understand the argumet _and_ the outcome of the argument. :)
#madworld

@RossA

@pisolita totally agree with this. The only time we hear about EU stuff is when it is negatively affecting is
// @bazbt3 @cirrus @blumenkraft

@pisolita yeah, i know. :( misinformation is a weapon of mass destruction! @cirrus @RossA @bazbt3

@RossA

me - http://chimpnut.nl/u/RossA/lp/82500 - #longpost

@RossA every democratic voting system has it's flaws. i think liquid democracy [en.wikipedia.org] is the way to go in the future.
this way you really get the most intelligent in their fields in charge.

@jws

@RossA Even WRT referendum, putting a vote on Brexit to the bar of a simple majority seemed weird anyway. Should have had a two-thirds majority bar given its gravity. @bazbt3 @blumenkraft @pisolita @cirrus

@pisolita

@blumenkraft @cirrus @RossA nah, I had the same feeling at first, but now I think it will happen. The UK will most likely end up like Norway: paying for EEA access but without any rights. And then they want to join again.

@pisolita let us just hope i'm right. would be way less pain in the ass of Europe. ;)
@cirrus @RossA

@pisolita

@blumenkraft @RossA @cirrus yes, I agree!

@bazbt3

@jws No-one thought it'd happen, that the popular vote would be a protest rather than a vote for the issues. I'm biased.
// @cirrus @pisolita @blumenkraft @RossA

@jws

@bazbt3 "Protest vote" seems a fundamental misunderstanding of how voting systems work. It's a rare system (i.e. not one where most people are "protest voting") that lets you express negative preference directly. @cirrus @blumenkraft @pisolita @RossA

@bazbt3

@jws The Brexit vote was *indeed* a rare event: a 'once-in-a-lifetime' chance to vote on a yes-no choice. It's extraordinarily rare in the UK; usual voting is for a party, not the US model of voting for issues too.
// @RossA @pisolita @blumenkraft @cirrus

@bazbt3

@jws Voters disadvantaged by absent coherent UK government policies over decades felt the most let-down so voted against a Europe directly subsidising their areas. Immigration control is the biggest *issue* though.
// @RossA @pisolita @blumenkraft @cirrus

@bazbt3

@jws Rather than looking at the big picture, UK's future in a changing world, a lot simply picked one issue and to hell with the rest. No holistic approach to decision-making process, lots of trust in politicians.
// @RossA @pisolita @blumenkraft @cirrus

@bazbt3

@der_Jeff I persuaded 2 colleagues to vote for the first time. Both went for Brexit. (German-owned company with cheaper manufacturing subsidiaries in continental Europe.)
// @cirrus @pisolita @blumenkraft @jws @RossA

@der_Jeff oh boy, good for you! i'm glad and proud. :)
@bazbt3 @RossA @jws @pisolita @cirrus

@jws

@bazbt3 "lots of trust in politicians" ‼️ What a different reality you must have over there! Here, people distrust politicians, politics, government, and even voting.
// @cirrus @blumenkraft @pisolita @RossA

@bazbt3

@jws It's honestly the same here. Yet voters now trust that the same politicians WILL broker a deal to ensure nothing changes in post-Brexit Merry Olde England. Nowhere else matters I'm afraid. Eating cake already.
// @RossA @pisolita @blumenkraft @cirrus

@bazbt3

@der_Jeff One of them is reasonably intelligent too, a valued co-worker. ;)
// @RossA @pisolita @blumenkraft @jws @cirrus

@jws problem is, there are a lot of honest politicians, but the common voters have no glue what they have to deal with and the complexity of political issues.
// @RossA @pisolita @cirrus @bazbt3

@jws also the criticism is mostly bullish and does not address the real problems anyway.
// @RossA @pisolita @cirrus @bazbt3

@jws

@blumenkraft If criticism and disengagement solved problems, we would be sitting on the biggest pile of solved problems right now.
// @bazbt3 @cirrus @pisolita @RossA

@jws here, too:

Poll: "Which Institutions do you trust?"
https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/3612/umfrage/institutionen-denen-die-deutschen-vertrauen/

@jws i know, right?! :-/
@bazbt3 @cirrus @pisolita @RossA

@der_Jeff look at the local ones! the ones not in the spotlight. you can influence them, throw arguments at them - they will understand. you are democracy. we all are. :)

@cirrus

@RossA you're nick reminded me of an old video i sync'd audio to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFZimo-vihg // @pisolita @bazbt3 @blumenkraft

@cirrus nice techno! you made it?
@RossA @pisolita @bazbt3

@cirrus

@blumenkraft Afraid not, i only added/synced the audio to the video. @RossA @pisolita @bazbt3

@cirrus

@pisolita Sorry for late response, just had to say it may have something to do with us being an island and feeling inherently isolated (just a thought) @blumenkraft @RossA
Perfect isolation,
here behind my wall
(you know what comes next)